Parents Don’t Know All of Ethan Crumbley’s Online Accounts: Defense

James and Jennifer Crumbley appear in court during the second day of the preliminary examination on February 24, 2022.

Defense attorney representing accused high school shooter Ethan Crumbley’s The parents gave testimony at Thursday’s hearing, which suggested that neither the teen’s parents followed two of their son’s many social media accounts. Defense attorneys say parents ignored the most incriminating posts and messages involving teenagers in the days leading up to the shootings that claimed the lives of four children.

James Crumbley45 and Jennifer Crumbley43 years old, each person is charged four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with a deadly attack on November 30, 2021 at Oxford High School in the town of Oxford, Michigan. Prosecutors have alleged that the parents act in a completely negligent manner and played a secondary role in the deaths of 4 teenagers Ethan Crumbley directly accused of murder. Two parents have arrested in a building in downtown Detroit after the authorities hinting that they are trying to run away; an attorney for one of the parents said they were scared and were planning to return.

Testimony to Ethan Crumbley’s numerous text messages and social media accounts occurred on the second day of a preliminary examination. The first day of the test was February 8, and it reveal a completely different version of events – according to the defense – than prosecutors have long alleged. Specifically, the defense said school officials gave Crumbley’s parents the “option” to send Ethan to school shortly before the deadly attack and the school told the parents their son was “not is a threat to anyone.”

Under Michigan law, purpose of a preliminary examination is to determine if “it appears that a felony was committed and there is probable cause to believe that the defendant is guilty of it.” If a judge agree with the question that threshold is determined by lawthe case went to trial.

Prosecutors allege that the parents ignored warning signs that their son was a danger – signs visible on teenagers’ social media channels – and left Ethan at school instead of caring for his immediate mental health needs just hours before he pulled the trigger and killed. four classmates.

Ethan Crumbley appears in court on February 22, 2022. (Image via WJBK / YouTube screenngrab.)

Ethan Crumbley appears in court on February 22, 2022. His case is separate from that involving his parents.

Attorneys for the parents have tried to disprove the notion that one of the parents knew about their son’s online behavior, which could be taken as a warning sign that the teen was do something nefarious.

“Actually, Jennifer and James don’t follow those two accounts?” ask a lawyer Shannon Smith.

“According to that device we got the data from, exactly,” says Edward Wagrowskia detective in the computer crime unit at the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office.

The hearing is live stream on YouTube equal the court system itself and by several news organizations.

Smith’s exchange continued:

Q: And as far as you know, you can’t tell if Jennifer and James are aware of other Instagram names that have been used by their son?

A: Right.

It is impossible to know if Jennifer and James are aware of the existence of these two numbers?


Earlier in the exchange, Smith forced Wagrowski to admit that it was not illegal to post pictures of guns or ammunition online.

Edward Wagrowski.

Edward Wagrowski.

Jennifer and James had “no comment on the photos” and “with no way of knowing if Jennifer and James had seen” many of the photos of their son, Smith forced the law enforcement official to agree. “And, even further than that, there’s still no way to tell if they’re aware of the other two existing Instagram accounts that Ethan has,” admitted Wagrowski when prompted by Smith.

The detective agreed that the parents were “technically monitoring” their son’s third account, but there was no direct evidence that they followed or viewed individual posts.

James Crumbley.

James Crumbley listens to testimony on February 24, 2022.

The officer sought to limit his testimony to points to point out that law enforcement knowledge is based solely on examining one device. From the immediate context it remains unclear whether additional exams are ongoing or planned.

The defense further noted that there were no text messages between Jennifer and James Crumbley indicating that the pair suspected Ethan Crumbley could be a school shooter – although the pair discussed their son.” regularly” via electronic message.

Jennifer Crumbley once searched for “clinical depression treatment options,” the defense noted. It is unclear who she may have sought treatment for. Smith said none of the searches showed that Jennifer Crumbley was afraid of her son’s violent behavior; Wagrowski agrees. The question and answer also did not reveal any messages from Jennifer to Ethan that might suggest that the teen had “murdered” or anything “along those lines.”

Jennifer Crumbley reviews the paperwork while attorney Shannon Smith offers her views in court.

Jennifer Crumbley reviews the paperwork while attorney Shannon Smith offers her views in court.

Ethan Crumbley’s text message to a friend other than his parents shows that the teen claims to be hearing “voices”. The defense noted that it was unclear whether the teen was discussing telling his parents that information or whether he would tell his doctor those complaints.

Text messages referenced by the defense show that a friend told Ethan to “pull the trigger” of the gun Ethan is apparently referred to in the photos – but that friend followed through with that suggestion with “JK JK JK” . It stands for “just kidding, joking, joking,” Wagrowski testified.

Ethan Crumbley told his friend that “dad put the gun out” but he knew “gun safe” so there was “no problem”, the messages were revealed, according to Smith.

“Now is the time to shoot schools,” said Ethan Crumbley to his friend — followed by “JK JK JK.”

Wagrowski admits no such conversation happened between Ethan or his parents – it was all just between Ethan and a friend.

Ethan and his friend exchanged 25,000 messages — about 5,000 pieces of paper, Smith said.


Attorney Shannon Smith shows a stack of prints from text messages between Ethan Crumbley and a friend named Brady.

“In the master plan of all the messages between Ethan and Brady [his friend], nothing to indicate that Jennifer or James was informed or known of the plan to carry out a school shooting like what happened at Oxford High School on 30/11? ‘ asked Smith.

“Yes,” Wagrowski replied.

Indeed, Crumbley had explicitly discussed secrets with his parents, Smith immediately noted; The officer agreed.

Counsel Mariell Lehman noted the scarcity of incriminating text messages between James Crumbley and his son Ethan.

The hearing continued into the afternoon. The defense is trying to convince the judge that there is no probable reason to allow the case against the parents to continue in the direction of trial.

[All images via screengrabs from YouTube/WJBK-TV.]

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